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  Session started: 2009.10.28 01:31:24
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[ 2009.10.28 01:31:33 ] Ivanna Nuke > SHIIIITTTTTT
[ 2009.10.28 01:31:55 ] Prometheus09 > and piss
[ 2009.10.28 01:32:05 ] Ivanna Nuke > Almost got caught in a suicide gank on a obelis,
[ 2009.10.28 01:32:22 ] Prometheus09 > they were going to shoot you
[ 2009.10.28 01:32:35 ] Ivanna Nuke > Nah I landed right on where they was smartbombing.
[ 2009.10.28 01:32:45 ] Varnoka > ah
[ 2009.10.28 01:32:47 ] Prometheus09 > ohh ouch
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:07 ] Ivanna Nuke > /emote is SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he built a repping Demios at this moment
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:19 ] Shae Tiann > ivanna, you’re not running trough Hagilur, are you?
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:30 ] Ivanna Nuke > ARGGHhh
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:38 ] Varnoka > lol
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:38 ] Shae Tiann > that system’s become a mess of Dead Terrorists
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:42 ] Ivanna Nuke > AVOID UEDAMA AND SIVALA
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:45 ] Ivanna Nuke > multiple camps
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:50 ] Shae Tiann > ooh that bad, huh?
[ 2009.10.28 01:33:52 ] Ivanna Nuke > I got smartbombed coming on the other side aswell >-<
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:01 ] Shae Tiann > smarties in highsec>#
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:02 ] Shae Tiann > ?
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:05 ] Ivanna Nuke > yes
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:06 ] Varnoka > enemy coordination suck dont it…
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:10 ] Ivanna Nuke > they failed
[ 2009.10.28 01:34:33 ] Ivanna Nuke > I will fucking deliver these bpc’s to my friend
[ 2009.10.28 01:35:07 ] Shae Tiann > hehe
[ 2009.10.28 01:35:07 ] Ivanna Nuke > Although why two tech 2 bpc’s are worth them ganking me, unless i was not the target.
[ 2009.10.28 01:35:13 ] Chainer Cygnus > You can do it!
[ 2009.10.28 01:35:29 ] Varnoka > they might not have scanned ya…
[ 2009.10.28 01:35:43 ] Varnoka > just assumed there was reall good loot
[ 2009.10.28 01:36:22 ] Shae Tiann > somebody in a Heron tri
[ 2009.10.28 01:36:37 ] Shae Tiann > ed for my noob alt’s hauler a few nights ago
[ 2009.10.28 01:37:33 ] Chainer Cygnus > Wow…really?
[ 2009.10.28 01:37:36 ] Shae Tiann > yup
[ 2009.10.28 01:37:52 ] Ivanna Nuke > made it xD
[ 2009.10.28 01:37:54 ] Shae Tiann > locked and started in for scram range just as the sigil hit warp
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:08 ] Varnoka > oh lucky
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:14 ] Shae Tiann > srs
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:16 ] Ivanna Nuke > Corpse Female
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:17 ] Ivanna Nuke > hmmm
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:21 ] Ivanna Nuke > found on gate
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:31 ] Chainer Cygnus > lol
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:40 ] Varnoka > new GF Ivanna?
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:46 ] Ivanna Nuke > lol nah
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:47 ] Shae Tiann > rule 5 of Eve: don’t haul everything you own in one go… well, I broke that oner and might have paid for it
[ 2009.10.28 01:38:55 ] Varnoka > oof
[ 2009.10.28 01:39:01 ] Alagus > ouch
[ 2009.10.28 01:39:12 ] Ivanna Nuke > o dear what happened?
[ 2009.10.28 01:39:24 ] Varnoka > almost happened…
[ 2009.10.28 01:39:34 ] Shae Tiann > ganker tried for my alt’s hauler. It was only her stuff, but it was all of it
[ 2009.10.28 01:39:48 ] Shae Tiann > just outside Mardirmilire
[ 2009.10.28 01:41:51 ] Chainer Cygnus > The Bantam is one ugly ass ship.
[ 2009.10.28 01:41:58 ] Varnoka > yeppers
[ 2009.10.28 01:42:08 ] Chainer Cygnus > One of the few Caldari ships I dislike.
[ 2009.10.28 01:43:20 ] Shae Tiann > bantam looks like a diseased chicken
[ 2009.10.28 01:43:49 ] Spectre3353 > bantam is the greatest ship in eve
[ 2009.10.28 01:43:54 ] Spectre3353 > slightly ahead of the navitas
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:17 ] Chainer Cygnus > Spectre, just read your scamming article and it makes me want to give it a shot
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:23 ] Prometheus09 > good for scouting out hulks to gank
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:24 ] Varnoka > ello spectre
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:31 ] Spectre3353 > youre welcome to try but its so crowded already
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:36 ] Spectre3353 > so many people scamming
[ 2009.10.28 01:44:48 ] Chainer Cygnus > Yeah, that’s my big reason for not trying
[ 2009.10.28 01:57:35 ] Ivanna Nuke > Anyone able to run a locator?
[ 2009.10.28 01:57:41 ] Jager Da > aye
[ 2009.10.28 01:57:50 ] Ivanna Nuke > andfor death
[ 2009.10.28 01:58:07 ] Ivanna Nuke > Friend of mine i’m tailing him in a game of cat + mouse…. little buggers cheated and got a cov ops ship and slipped to a gate.
[ 2009.10.28 01:58:17 ] Jager Da > I’m in the middle of a mission.. how soon do you need it?
[ 2009.10.28 01:58:24 ] Ivanna Nuke > asap you can mate.
[ 2009.10.28 01:59:32 ] Jager Da > Alright.. I will see what I can do
[ 2009.10.28 02:00:32 ] Ivanna Nuke > ty
[ 2009.10.28 02:00:57 ] 00sage00 > i started the locater
[ 2009.10.28 02:01:02 ] 00sage00 > might take a while
[ 2009.10.28 02:03:34 ] Ivanna Nuke > ty
[ 2009.10.28 02:03:49 ] Prometheus09 > just listined to the Dev interview
[ 2009.10.28 02:04:10 ] Prometheus09 > and it doesnt really say anything
[ 2009.10.28 02:04:44 ] Chainer Cygnus > They never really do
[ 2009.10.28 02:05:02 ] 00sage00 > The scumsucker is located at Kino VII – Moon 7 – Home Guard Testing Facilities station in the Kino system, Haurala constellation of Lonetrek region.
[ 2009.10.28 02:05:16 ] 00sage00 > @ ivanna
[ 2009.10.28 02:11:15 ] Chainer Cygnus > Running an ibis through lowsec…mildly nerve wracking
[ 2009.10.28 02:12:17 ] 00sage00 > o.O i feel safe in lowsec with a small ship
[ 2009.10.28 02:12:31 ] Chainer Cygnus > Me too but an Ibis is an easy target
[ 2009.10.28 02:13:23 ] Ivanna Nuke > I lost connection
[ 2009.10.28 02:13:36 ] 00sage00 > The scumsucker is located at Kino VII – Moon 7 – Home Guard Testing Facilities station in the Kino system, Haurala constellation of Lonetrek region.
[ 2009.10.28 02:13:59 ] Ivanna Nuke > ty
[ 2009.10.28 02:14:27 ] Chainer Cygnus > wb too
[ 2009.10.28 02:36:12 ] Ivanna Nuke > Anyone wanting to suicide gank hulks/mack’s etc KINO is the system…. SOOO MANY
[ 2009.10.28 02:39:22 ] 00sage00 > 14 hulks, 13 macks, 1 retriever, 2 orcas, 4 haulers in seil
[ 2009.10.28 02:39:46 ] Ivanna Nuke > 4 orca’s at least 20 mack’s in a single ice belt in Kino
[ 2009.10.28 02:41:47 ] Prometheus09 > hmm dico geddon
[ 2009.10.28 02:41:56 ] Prometheus09 > disco
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:03 ] Ivanna Nuke > Is required
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:06 ] Chainer Cygnus > I can’t remember the name of the ship AI….what the hell is wrong with me….
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:12 ] Ivanna Nuke > two orcas and 8 macks in close proximity
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:18 ] Varnoka > aura
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:29 ] Chainer Cygnus > thanks
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:32 ] Varnoka > np
[ 2009.10.28 02:42:36 ] Chainer Cygnus > Couldn’t remember if it was Aura or Aurora
[ 2009.10.28 02:43:49 ] Shae Tiann > aurora was the group that did the RP events years ago
[ 2009.10.28 02:43:57 ] Ivanna Nuke > Someone who has sec to burn ( or dont give a shit ) should drop a disco geddon right in this belt
[ 2009.10.28 02:43:59 ] Shae Tiann > /emote wishes they could do those again
[ 2009.10.28 02:44:45 ] Prometheus09 > once my sec status is up enough i think i might give it a ago again
[ 2009.10.28 02:44:53 ] Prometheus09 > what was the sec status
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:12 ] Ivanna Nuke > 0.7
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:22 ] Prometheus09 > lol concord will kill me
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:31 ] 00sage00 > prometheus, you can get around concord
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:33 ] Song Li > o/
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:40 ] Ivanna Nuke > this system is crying for a gank
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:45 ] 00sage00 > have an alt in a orca drop a battleship at a safe
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:45 ] Ivanna Nuke > It would get you to -10 though lol
[ 2009.10.28 02:45:55 ] 00sage00 > bring your main in a pod
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:01 ] 00sage00 > enter the ship; concord won’t attack
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:06 ] 00sage00 > then warp to belt and gank
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:09 ] Prometheus09 > hmm really
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:11 ] Prometheus09 > why not
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:16 ] Ivanna Nuke > doughnuts
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:18 ] Song Li > it works
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:23 ] Song Li > one of the first uses of the orca
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:38 ] Prometheus09 > can you just eject from the ship
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:44 ] Prometheus09 > and then board it
[ 2009.10.28 02:46:54 ] Shae Tiann > Concord WILL come after you if you’re outlaw and climb into a ship in highsec
[ 2009.10.28 02:47:06 ] Shae Tiann > we tried it once, a couple years ago =_=
[ 2009.10.28 02:47:16 ] 00sage00 > shae, were you at a safe?
[ 2009.10.28 02:47:20 ] Shae Tiann > yup
[ 2009.10.28 02:47:31 ] Shae Tiann > it wasn’t me, it was a mate
[ 2009.10.28 02:47:55 ] Shae Tiann > we were at war, we wanted to see if we could take out their highsec pos whilst being flashy
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:01 ] Escoce > do they come after you witht he same vengence as a retribution call ?
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:07 ] Shae Tiann > mate tested with an unfitted cruiser
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:16 ] Shae Tiann > a what?
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:19 ] 00sage00 > hmm. weird. because i’ve seen the orca-ship-drop trick used before in jita
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:29 ] Shae Tiann > serious?
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:40 ] Debes Sparre > Yeah
[ 2009.10.28 02:48:43 ] Debes Sparre > Pretty big thing.
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:16 ] Ivanna Nuke > LeSkunk flew one using the lows with stabs and nano fibres
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:18 ] Debes Sparre > When orca came out there were calls for it to be nerfed because pirates immeadiately saw how to get around being flashy and continue suicide ganks in highsec.
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:23 ] Ivanna Nuke > right into Jita, then to a planet and ganked and eve radio
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:25 ] Ivanna Nuke > do
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:29 ] Escoce > I mean, when you enter high sec, oes concord come after you just as tough as if you just commited a criminal act ?
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:41 ] Debes Sparre > if you’re blinky? no.
[ 2009.10.28 02:49:51 ] Debes Sparre > if you’re gcc? yes.
[ 2009.10.28 02:50:16 ] Escoce > er mean if you attack someone then…sorry for the poor lingo
[ 2009.10.28 02:50:30 ] Debes Sparre > okay, here’s how it works. being a criminal:
[ 2009.10.28 02:51:04 ] Prometheus09 > can one disco geddon kill a mack
[ 2009.10.28 02:51:09 ] Debes Sparre > if you are below the required sec status for a system (-2 in a 1.01, -4.5 in a .5) when you enter the system in anything besides a pod, FACTION POLICE spawn.
[ 2009.10.28 02:51:25 ] 00sage00 > prometheus, yes
[ 2009.10.28 02:51:59 ] Debes Sparre > they web you 90% but if you’re already aligning all it does is make you instawarp, becasue they web before scramming.
[ 2009.10.28 02:52:33 ] Debes Sparre > if you’re in a pod, they will now spawn, and if you board a ship in space they do not spawn.
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:19 ] Debes Sparre > if you either: attack someone whereby getting a GCC OR you get a GCC in lowsec and jump into highsec, CONCORD will spawn.
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:20 ] Vol Jbolaz > So don’t nerf the Orca, fix the “board a ship in space” spawn issue.
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:26 ] Prometheus09 > well i may have to tack a trip to kino latter
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:28 ] Debes Sparre > right.
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:33 ] 00sage00 > why fix it? >.>
[ 2009.10.28 02:53:45 ] Casiella Truza > I think it’s an intended feature.
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:17 ] Debes Sparre > anyways, there are your rules.
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:25 ] Debes Sparre > also, don’t try and reapproach gate under faction police
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:26 ] Escoce > thx
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:28 ] Debes Sparre > fucking 90% web.
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:39 ] Debes Sparre > (lost a vaga that way)
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:43 ] Ivanna Nuke > /emote bumps orca at 1,400M/S with Demios with trimarks
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:49 ] Debes Sparre > Couldn’t just wapr to a planet and warp back…noooooooooo.
[ 2009.10.28 02:54:57 ] Escoce > so you are “detected” in a ship at session change
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:05 ] Escoce > if no session change, no detected
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:21 ] Debes Sparre > no, session change for switching ships too
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:27 ] Debes Sparre > but it’s not a entering system event
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:32 ] Vol Jbolaz > If you warp to a gate after boarding a ship in space, will there be a faction spawn then?
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:43 ] Debes Sparre > not until you jup to the other side
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:51 ] Escoce > right, that’s a session change
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:56 ] Debes Sparre > no
[ 2009.10.28 02:55:58 ] Ivanna Nuke > Orca is now doing 230m/s away from his fleet boauahahaha
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:05 ] Debes Sparre > it’s when you enter a system. that’s the only time it changes.
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:07 ] Escoce > warping isn’t, jumping is…undocking is…
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:18 ] Escoce > right, you are confirming what I am saying
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:26 ] Vol Jbolaz > Okay, even if the entering a ship was an intended way to skirt the police, they should be alerted as soon as you approach gate/station guns, and they should spawn.
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:26 ] Debes Sparre > Escoce: boarding a ship is a session change.
[ 2009.10.28 02:56:49 ] Casiella Truza > Vol: why?
[ 2009.10.28 02:57:02 ] 00sage00 > casiella, look at his sec status. that’s why
[ 2009.10.28 02:57:05 ] 00sage00 >
[ 2009.10.28 02:57:55 ] Vol Jbolaz > Yeah, simple logic.  Besides, session change is meta game.  In the game, it is the sentries that alert.  Besides, that is one of the built in protections, that one can find some measure of safety near a gate that they can’t find in a belt.
[ 2009.10.28 02:58:03 ] Vol Jbolaz > Makes sense to me to keep that as intended, too.
[ 2009.10.28 02:58:04 ] Casiella Truza > As far as I’m concerned, CCP specifically allowed this to add a smidgen more risk to high sec
[ 2009.10.28 02:58:18 ] Vol Jbolaz > Yes, more risk to high sec belts.
[ 2009.10.28 02:58:40 ] Casiella Truza > High sec could use a little more danger, IMNSHO
[ 2009.10.28 02:58:41 ] Vol Jbolaz > The probelm is, there are limits to what law abiders can do to protect themselves.
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:06 ] Vol Jbolaz > No, it is way too easy to make good money being a suicide pirate.
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:09 ] Ivanna Nuke > stop being so stupid when they see four ships around them dropping drones, it’s a good idea to GTFO.
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:09 ] 00sage00 > vol, you can just use an alt in a noobship to shoot you and spawn concord at the belt to protect you
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:33 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, I’d rather see insurance payments due to CONCORD action get nerfed
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:40 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Ditto
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:45 ] Vol Jbolaz > I think CONCORD should leave.  BEsides, I say no alts.
[ 2009.10.28 02:59:48 ] Prometheus09 > Ditto
[ 2009.10.28 03:00:01 ] Prometheus09 > to Cassiell at hat is
[ 2009.10.28 03:00:03 ] Casiella Truza > I actually think suicide ganking should be viable, it should just require preparation and calculation
[ 2009.10.28 03:00:29 ] Ivanna Nuke > nn guys
[ 2009.10.28 03:00:30 ] Casiella Truza > But definitely take away the insurance payments for it
[ 2009.10.28 03:00:48 ] Casiella Truza > So that it only makes economic sense for REALLY valuable targets
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:03 ] Prometheus09 > what we cant do it for fun
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:16 ] Vol Jbolaz > Look at Teff nogero on the killboards.  Even without insurance, he makes money.
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:29 ] Escoce > I also say no alts…..but most don’t agree, but I have a way around needing alts if people would coordinate and do teamwork, but no, they’d rather pay $15 to get around that particular problem
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:32 ] Casiella Truza > Then that works for me.
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:35 ] Vol Jbolaz > No, you can’t.  Because I can’t stop you for fun. 
[ 2009.10.28 03:01:57 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, that’s the appeal of EVE.
[ 2009.10.28 03:02:19 ] Casiella Truza > It’s not just supposed to take place in a fictional harsh, cold world. It is a harsh, cold world.
[ 2009.10.28 03:02:30 ] Vol Jbolaz > Griefing is lame.  Especially since non-griefers have limits to what they can do.  I don’t mind piracy, but griefing should be a permaban offense, always.
[ 2009.10.28 03:02:41 ] Prometheus09 > http://podlogs.com/thecaptainslog/2009/10/28/from-the-viewport-2-pictures-from-the-front/ <— From the Viewpoart # 2 – Pictures from the front
[ 2009.10.28 03:02:55 ] 00sage00 > vol, griefing is difficult to define
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:02 ] Chainer Cygnus > ^^
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:09 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, griefing (as defined by CCP) is a bannable offense.
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:14 ] Vol Jbolaz > True, but Prometheus was wanting to cross the line.
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:18 ] Prometheus09 > well suicide ganking is not griefing
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:25 ] Casiella Truza > But, as 00 says, what you think is griefing is not always griefing.
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:38 ] 00sage00 > lol. i’m “00″?
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:40 ] Prometheus09 > its when you do it to one person over and over it becomes griefing
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:43 ] Casiella Truza > Salvaging is not griefing, although some mission runners think it is.
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:47 ] Vol Jbolaz > No, it isn’t, and it shoudln’t be, Prometheus.  But it shouldn’t be so easy.  That way griefers won’t do it.
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:57 ] Casiella Truza > Why should CCP stop it/
[ 2009.10.28 03:03:59 ] Casiella Truza > ? *
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:08 ] Chainer Cygnus > Ah philosophical discussions
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:17 ] 00sage00 > it’s not that easy vol. what percentage of miners today get suicide ganked?
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:18 ] Casiella Truza > You’re taking for granted that your way is “right” and theirs is “wrong”
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:23 ] Vol Jbolaz > Casi, it is griefing because I can’t stop it.  If you want to salvage, then you should run some risk.  You don’t run any.  Tht is just lame.
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:42 ] Vol Jbolaz > I think haulers get ganked more than miners.
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:49 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You can stop suicide ganking, actually.
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:54 ] Prometheus09 > well you can spawn concord in a belt if you do that i cant gank you
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:56 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Fit a better tank. xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:04:57 ] Casiella Truza > I don’t even have to salvage to get tears… this is just as good :p
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:05 ] Vol Jbolaz > Only by destroying your own wrecks.
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:12 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, you’re wrong about that, actually
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:18 ] Casiella Truza > You can also salvage as you go.
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:29 ] Chainer Cygnus > Or not care about your salvage
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:48 ] 00sage00 > or fit ECCM to make probing harder
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:52 ] Casiella Truza > Salvage does not belong to the mission runner. That’s been stated by CCP over and over and over.
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:55 ] Prometheus09 > http://podlogs.com/mobiusone/ <—- this guy has some good advice on how to prevent from being ganked
[ 2009.10.28 03:05:56 ] Vol Jbolaz > But still, there is 0 risk to the ninja.  And you think that makes sense?
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:07 ] Casiella Truza > There’s zero risk to the mission runner, too.
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:11 ] Casiella Truza > And he doesn’t own the salvage.
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:14 ] Casiella Truza > That’s the rules.
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:16 ] Escoce > this is an old arguement no one is going to win
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:24 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > But it’s fun to watch, Escoce
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:27 ] Chainer Cygnus > I win it by not caring XD
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:31 ] Casiella Truza > It’s already won. CCP has been very clear about this topic.
[ 2009.10.28 03:06:47 ] Casiella Truza > Salvage as you go or quit whining (ie the Chainer approach :p )
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:00 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > But I have to agree with Casiella here. CCP has stated directly that salvage is up for ANYONE to take.
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:03 ] Escoce > I stopped arguing about it…I feel the way I feel…..Alt’s ruin the game, and the rules about griefing etc etc are very clear….eve is meant to be tough
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:07 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Which is why it’s called salvage
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:26 ] 00sage00 > just be glad they can only take your salvage. in lowsec, i take their ships as well.
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:26 ] Vol Jbolaz > Okay, but I don’t ever want to hear Casi (or anyone in that camp) say that this game lets one do anythign they want.  This game doesn’t.  This game lets anyone do what they want, so long as they PvP. 
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:28 ] Casiella Truza > Personally I think loot should be free too, but then CCP disagrees with me on that :p
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:37 ] Vol Jbolaz > Sage, I think that is more than fair.
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:37 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, this is a PVP game.
[ 2009.10.28 03:07:53 ] Escoce > its one thing to have an alt, to be an “ALT” but when alts become mules which they most often are, is just a form of multi session mule, then it ruins it….
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:01 ] Casiella Truza > And I say that as someone who spends 90% of his gameplay trading.
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:03 ] Vol Jbolaz > This is an open game.  I think people should do PvP or not.  I couldn’t live without PvP.  But I don’t want to force that on others.
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:10 ] Escoce > Vol, this IS a PvP game, and this is coming from a non-PvPer
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:15 ] Casiella Truza > ^^^
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:22 ] 00sage00 > i thought this was an EvE game
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:28 ] Casiella Truza > it is
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:29 ] Song Li > trading is PvP
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:33 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You are never forced to PvP
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:33 ] Varnoka > escoce: you do market stuff hence you pvp
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:33 ] Casiella Truza > “everyone vs everyone”
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:40 ] Escoce > You can’t avoid PvP, but it’s not a non-PvP game
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:50 ] Vol Jbolaz > Kellnirr, you are always forced to PvP.  Suicide gangking is way too easy.
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:53 ] Casiella Truza > I’m pvping against Escoce right now.
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:56 ] Escoce > varnoka, true, I mean head to head space battle
[ 2009.10.28 03:08:59 ] Casiella Truza > As we speak.
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:00 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You can mine in a belt with a ton of warp stabs and a hard ass tank. Jump out when  they attack.
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:07 ] Varnoka > I know just splitting hairs
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:10 ] Chainer Cygnus > Hell this argument is PvP
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:14 ] Casiella Truza > Or have a corpmate nearby
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:18 ] Vol Jbolaz > Yes, and you fit those stabs so you bent to PvP.
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:28 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > No, you bend to the possibilities.]\
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:32 ] Escoce > in fact, I think the way I fly through low sec is PvP, it’s evasion oriented, but i am still beggin to get shot at
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:34 ] Casiella Truza > The suicide ganker can’t just hit you and count on 15 seconds of free shots.
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:45 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Also, if you are that much of a bear, play WoW on a PvE server =)
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:54 ] Varnoka > ughhh
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:54 ] Casiella Truza > LOL
[ 2009.10.28 03:09:59 ] Vol Jbolaz > Yes, Escoce, that is.  And you chose it.  That makes sense to me.  If you want to stay in 1.0 running missions, you sholdn’t be forced to PvP.
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:10 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, that’s a design choice, and one that EVE did not make.
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:18 ] Escoce > Vol don’t worry all viewpoints ar erepsected here, we just also feel strongly about ours as much as you do about yours
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:26 ] Prometheus09 > well its not so much as PvP as a one way slaughter
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:26 ] Casiella Truza > although they do enforce rules slightly different in starter systems
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:31 ] Song Li > I thnk you’re al wrong
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:38 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Yes. And the moment youtold us not to say our opinions, this became a blob xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:40 ] Chainer Cygnus > I don’t Escoce, I think everyone here is a blundering idiot :X
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:42 ] Debes Sparre > If you want to stay in 1.0 running missions, and have no interactions with other players (too late, you bought ships, and you sell your loot, you engage in market pvp), get the fuck out of my eve, kthkxbai
[ 2009.10.28 03:10:59 ] Casiella Truza > Wait, who said to not speak your opinions/
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:06 ] Casiella Truza > I don’t think even vol said that, did he?
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:06 ] Escoce > Chainer, I think you better check your contracts, I might hanve cancelled it by mistake ))
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:18 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Vol Jbolaz > Okay, but I don’t ever want to hear Casi (or anyone in that camp) say that this game lets one do anythign they want.  This game doesn’t.  This game lets anyone do what they want, so long as they PvP. 
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:21 ] Chainer Cygnus > oh noez! Fire ze lazers at him!
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:21 ] Vol Jbolaz > Yes, well that camp is in oppisition to the sand box idea.  And just because CCP says it, doesn’t make it golden.  They can make mistakes and some of those can be coutner to their own sand box idea.
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:24 ] Casiella Truza > Oh, yeah.
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:41 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > =D
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:49 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, this game lets you do just about anything. You just have to live with the consequences.
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:49 ] Vieve Tisserand > /emote scrolls back and reads.
[ 2009.10.28 03:11:50 ] Vol Jbolaz > If you want a sand box,then you have to let everyone have the option to do what they want.  And that even means, yo uhave to have a mechanic by which people can chose to avoid PvP.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:00 ] Chainer Cygnus > o7 Vieve
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:06 ] Casiella Truza > That mechanic restricts everyone else.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:13 ] Casiella Truza > If you want that, go play on sisi.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:15 ] Varnoka > o/ vieve
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:28 ] Casiella Truza > You consent to PvP when you hit the “create character” button.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:29 ] Escoce > Vol, you have the option to do what you want, the issue is the mechanics of the game by design to NOT make you implcitly safe in High Sec
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:30 ] Vol Jbolaz > No, it only means those few that don’t chose PvP aren’t targets.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:43 ] Casiella Truza > You chose PvP by playing a PvP game.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:45 ] Escoce > Casielle, my name is Escoce and I approve this message
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:50 ] Chainer Cygnus > There are places where PvE is encouraged and deemed safer, but the whole point of EVE is that nowhere is entirely safe. Unless you never undock.
[ 2009.10.28 03:12:59 ] Casiella Truza > As the old tagline goes
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:00 ] Mike Azariah > o/
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:05 ] Chainer Cygnus > Hey Mike
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:10 ] Casiella Truza > “CONCORD provides consequences, not safety. Only you can do that.”
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:12 ] Shae Tiann > /emote readsd Vieve’s outburst in Chatsubo and wonders what it is about the new presidential candidate
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:14 ] Varnoka > hiya mike
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:24 ] Mike Azariah > heyas all
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:26 ] 00sage00 > the fact that eve is multiplayer means that player interaction is unavoidable. some call it pvp. some call it trading.
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:27 ] Vieve Tisserand > /emote laughs.
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:28 ] Song Li > o/
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:43 ] Mike Azariah > I call it . . .amore
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:51 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > /emote cuddles with Mike.
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:53 ] Escoce > Vol anyway, I am a “Carebear” if you want to call me that, and I support the whole PvP aspect of the game, and I completely applaud CCP for sticking to their guns and not caving in like every other god forsaken game producer out there
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:53 ] Debes Sparre > Vol: no, a sandboxc means I can come over and kick over your castle, even if you don’t want me to.
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:54 ] Vieve Tisserand > Uhm, Shae.  Long story.   A lot of Vieve/Celeste/Sabi backstory is built around being from Mies.
[ 2009.10.28 03:13:59 ] Mike Azariah > when the moon hits your pos like a big santa \clause, thats amore
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:08 ] Varnoka > /emote thinks Mike needs to write longer blogs,,,
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:20 ] Chainer Cygnus > Mike: IU love it
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:25 ] Mike Azariah > did you read my blog banter 13?
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:33 ] Casiella Truza > Pew pew is not my primary playstyle. But I am not a carebear.
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:36 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Jeez, I’m afraid to minimize for five seconds because I don’t wanna miss this discussion xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:37 ] Varnoka > not yet
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:49 ] Debes Sparre > Vol: one way or another, you’re impinging on someone’s “freedom”
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:50 ] Casiella Truza > I love the fact that EVE allows you to do whatever you want, as long as you’re willing to deal with the results.
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:55 ] Vol Jbolaz > Blah… Again, everyone seems to think I’m saying make the game safe.  No.  I’m just saying that people should not be forced into PvP.  ONce you go into 0.9, there is a risk.  And to curb griefing, piracy should be hard so only real pirates will do it.
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:55 ] Mike Azariah > leave a marker kell like this
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:57 ] Escoce > What did everyone think of mine?
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:58 ] Mike Azariah > oooooooooooooooooooooooo
[ 2009.10.28 03:14:59 ] Vieve Tisserand > And the ISD article description of the candidate actually FITS into that backstory.
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:06 ] Vieve Tisserand > Which is freaky.
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:10 ] Mike Azariah > then you scroll back to your last marker when you come back
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:11 ] Debes Sparre > either you deny a carebear the right to total safety
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:24 ] Debes Sparre > or you deny a pvper the right to kill everything
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:35 ] Vol Jbolaz > Debes, I think forcing PvP does more to curb freedom.
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:36 ] Shae Tiann > ahh, I see
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:49 ] Prometheus09 > no it opens up freedom
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:50 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, piracy is hard
[ 2009.10.28 03:15:53 ] Escoce > Vol, I hear what you are saying, I just don’t agree…teh reason 1.0 is safer, is because there are usually more high sec systems between it and low sec, making it harder for pirates to get to you, but you are NEVER perfectly safe in the cold of space
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:10 ] Casiella Truza > If it wasn’t, more people would do it.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:18 ] Mike Azariah > /emote agrees with escoe on this one
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:20 ] Debes Sparre > Vol: well, that’s what you think. Quantify that, and come back.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:22 ] Varnoka > agree with Cas there
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:24 ] Casiella Truza > And pirates wouldn’t nhave ISK-generating alts.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:29 ] Vol Jbolaz > But New Eden is not a complete wild west.  When you go to the mall, will you be shot tomorrow?  No?  There are places that are so safe you let your guard down.  There should gbe some here.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:32 ] Mike Azariah > though the pure non pvp player can still play
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:35 ] Vol Jbolaz > This is still civilization.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:40 ] Casiella Truza > Piracy is not economically viable for all but a select few.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:46 ] Debes Sparre > I let my guard down when I go to 0.0.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:47 ] Prometheus09 > vol people still do taht
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:54 ] Mike Azariah > they jjust are accepting the consequences, they can think of the pvp’ers as rogue parts of the environment
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:56 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Um, people shoot people in malls.
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:56 ] Prometheus09 > they get punished after the fact
[ 2009.10.28 03:16:57 ] Casiella Truza > New Eden != RL, you cannot compare that
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:02 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Fuck, people shoot people in thier own beds.
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:07 ] Prometheus09 > there is nothing stoping them from doing it
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:09 ] Debes Sparre > and really, if people didn’t let their guard down in 1.0, no one there would die.
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:16 ] Debes Sparre > QED: You’re wrong
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:23 ] Varnoka > ^^ this
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:27 ] Escoce > Vol, NYC isn’t the wild west either, yet there is a vacancy where there used to be two giant sky scrapers (is shamed to use that example, but there it is)
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:31 ] Vol Jbolaz > Debes, that is very faulty logic.
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:45 ] Escoce > they didn’t even log into the game
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:47 ] Vol Jbolaz > That says pirates can only kill if you let your guard down, that they are too lame to do more.
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:49 ] Mike Azariah > it can’t be faulty logic, he used latin and everything
[ 2009.10.28 03:17:58 ] Debes Sparre > Utterly true.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:10 ] Debes Sparre > I have lived in lowsec and 0.0 for years.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:12 ] Casiella Truza > Pirates can only kill you if you let your guard down and don’t prepare properly.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:17 ] Vol Jbolaz > Escoce, that is an exception that helps prove the rule.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:30 ] Debes Sparre > I have never been killed outside of being lazy and/or initiating the fight myself.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:39 ] Song Li > Here’s my view on Eve. High sec is the city you see, with law and cops and generally cordial people. Low sec is the back alleys, the underground, the other side of hte tracks. 0.0 is the colonies where people group together to to form their own countrie
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:40 ] Escoce > its’ also an example that even in the deepest of empires, it’s not 100% safe
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:54 ] Casiella Truza > I live in a state with a CCH law, and (whatever the validity of it) the reasoning is that the police can catch and punish but not always prevent.
[ 2009.10.28 03:18:59 ] Escoce > song, pretty good analogy
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:18 ] Debes Sparre > Being lazy? I’m complacent.
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:23 ] Debes Sparre > Complacency kills.
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:24 ] Escoce > high sec is safer, just not perfectly safe
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:31 ] Song Li > escoce: It’s the vision I use to define how I think the areas mechanics should be designed
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:38 ] Mike Azariah > song, instead of cities substitute ‘The new world’  circa 1600′s
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:40 ] Vol Jbolaz > I love the analogy, Li.  The problem is, the city is more like south central LA.  That they safest place is still run by street gangs.
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:42 ] Casiella Truza > These tears will fuel my ships for at least a week.
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:43 ] Escoce > and shit, get a wardec, and all of a sudden the whole universe is low sec
[ 2009.10.28 03:19:51 ] Song Li > Have an end vision and reverse engineer the mechanics
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:08 ] Song Li > mike: Yeah that works
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:18 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Vol, Irvine was voted the safest city in the country of the USA. There are still people who get shot there over drugs.
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:34 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > That is life. That is the world.
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:36 ] Escoce > Vol, washington DC is still a good analogy…..even the quad cities, which is the safest metropolis int eh USA still measures murders rates
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:48 ] Song Li > So Vote Song Li for CSM. He has the vision for Eve!
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:56 ] Escoce > Well ok Irvine works, who cares which city,t he point is the same
[ 2009.10.28 03:20:57 ] Mike Azariah > Oi!
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:04 ] Vol Jbolaz > Kellnirr, yes, but I imagine crime there is lower than Jita.  Also…
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:05 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Song Li, what is your opinion on space monkies?
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:08 ] Song Li > mike: Have to be faster
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:09 ] Song Li >
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:10 ] Debes Sparre > Vol: I have yet to lose a ship in high sec in 4 years, except for twice during wars where I engaged first and once when I was flying my muninn through highsec while I was -5.5 and a stiletto caught me because I had no one scout for me, because I was com
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:21 ] Mike Azariah > have they posted the candidtaes yet?
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:24 ] Vol Jbolaz > this all started because there were people thinking that mechanics to avoid logical detection were too big of a nerf.
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:27 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Jita? Jita is a huge sprawling trade hub.
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:28 ] Song Li > kellnirr: Do they buy my stuff?
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:28 ] Debes Sparre > complacent.
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:34 ] Escoce > Actually funny enough, I have only lost ships in high sec….why ? because I let my guard down
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:35 ] Song Li > mike: No
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:39 ] Mike Azariah > dang
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:42 ] Vol Jbolaz > I’m sorry, but if you are in a ship and the gate patrols see you, there should be a spawn.
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:42 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Sometimes. Sometimes they throw shit at it.
[ 2009.10.28 03:21:55 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I agree.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:04 ] Escoce > Other than once, 2 weeks after starting the game, and once about 6 months ago when learning a mechanics lesson, I have never lost a ship in low sec
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:05 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > But that’s not what we’re arguing about
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:06 ] Casiella Truza > Right now I’m looking at Alekseyev Karrde, he’s got an interesting platform too. But I haven’t made up my mind on my votes.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:11 ] Escoce > why ? cause you have vigelence
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:14 ] Vol Jbolaz > But that is where it started.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:20 ] Vol Jbolaz > That is exactly what we are arguing.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:26 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > …
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:33 ] Song Li > mike: I’ve been told if you haven’t heard new about being dropped, that’s good.. I hate lack of information being good
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:34 ] Casiella Truza > I personally like the way it works. I like the Orca as a mini-carrier for pirates.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:35 ] Escoce > arguing what? that you should fly AFK and feel at ease?
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:36 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Um, we’re arguing whether people should be forced to PvP.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:38 ] Chainer Cygnus > We’re arguing?
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:38 ] Escoce > wrong game amte
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:39 ] Escoce > mate
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:49 ] Debes Sparre > Vol: people who do not prepare get suicide ganked. Prepared people do not. I have hauled billions of isk in a mammoth through jita multiple times. Never get hit. Why? I planned ahead, I had a cloak, I had istabs, I had a tank fitted.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:51 ] Casiella Truza > We’re not arguing. We’re telling Vol why he’s wrong.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:52 ] Vol Jbolaz > Casi, as long as they stay away from sentry guns, I don’t mind it.
[ 2009.10.28 03:22:55 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I never once said anything about ships.
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:17 ] Escoce > stay away from sentry guns?
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:22 ] Escoce > I am lost
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:38 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You are arguing about suicide ganking, not people in stolen ships or w/e.
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:43 ] Mike Azariah > song, you there
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:53 ] Song Li > yes here
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:56 ] Mike Azariah > http://biomassed.blogspot.com/2009/10/you-talking-to-me.html#comments
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:57 ] Vol Jbolaz > AS long as they pirates boarding their ships from the Orca stick to the belts and don’t go near the gates, I’m okay. once they go near a gate or station, there should be a spawn as though they entered the system in the ship.
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:58 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Hi Song.
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:59 ] Cyberin > o/
[ 2009.10.28 03:23:59 ] Mike Azariah > oog
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:10 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Again, I agree.
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:23 ] Vol Jbolaz > Sorry, that was to clarify for Escoce.
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:25 ] Mike Azariah > heyas cyb
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:26 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > But you ere arguing that people shouldn’t be able to suicide gank in 1.0.
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:30 ] Escoce > Vol, ok
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:38 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Where the heck does the stupid Orca bug come in?
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:45 ] Vol Jbolaz > Casi is saying that is too much of a nerf for pirates, that they shouldn’t be a spawn until they jump.
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:46 ] Escoce > boarding ships
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:46 ] Casiella Truza > Vol, then you went down the path of 1.0 being perfectly safe and salvagers being griefing fools.
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:53 ] Varnoka > way back in the beginning Kell
[ 2009.10.28 03:24:58 ] Debes Sparre > yknow
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:01 ] Debes Sparre > back in MY day
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:04 ] Debes Sparre > we didn’t have salvage
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:06 ] Mike Azariah > here it comes
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:07 ] Vol Jbolaz > And yes, I still think there should be some risk for salvagers.
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:25 ] Escoce > there is risk for salvagers
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:27 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Well, I’m gonna go ratting now. Maybe can flip a few people and collect some tears.
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:27 ] Casiella Truza > Why? There’s none for the mission runner…
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:28 ] Song Li > vol: I think I have a solution
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:33 ] Vol Jbolaz > We also didn’t have warp to 0.
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:33 ] Chainer Cygnus > The risk is there if they loot, salvaging is entirely free for all.
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:39 ] Debes Sparre > fuck no we didn’t
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:41 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Vol’stears are waaaaay too heavy to carry at this point.
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:44 ] Mike Azariah > up hill both ways
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:49 ] Escoce > there is NOTHING stopping you from retaliating or preparing yourself ahead of time
[ 2009.10.28 03:25:59 ] Debes Sparre > Mike: every way was uphill!
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:00 ] Casiella Truza > Kellnirr, at this point Vol’s tears can fuel POSs.
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:03 ] Mike Azariah > please, no age jokes today, it is my b-day
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:08 ] Mike Azariah > and I am OLD
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:10 ] Cyberin > did someone mentioned Salvagers?
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:14 ] Debes Sparre > back in my day, we didn’t HAVE downhill!
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:15 ] Song Li > mike: How old is old?
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:17 ] Varnoka > o/ Cyber
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:17 ] Chainer Cygnus > HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:28 ] Mike Azariah > seriously . . .1/5 century
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:35 ] Mike Azariah > no, 1/2
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:36 ] Escoce > young players NEED to learn the mistake of feeling safe, once you get passed that fact, most everyone has fun…it’s the people stuck on the perfect safety net, where is it? that don’t have fun
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:43 ] Mike Azariah > yeesh, new fangled keyboards
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:48 ] Song Li > Wait.. 1/5 or 1/2
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:53 ] Varnoka > 50′s
[ 2009.10.28 03:26:55 ] Song Li > Cuase that’s a big differene
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:01 ] Mike Azariah > 50, in other words for those of you who cannot do math
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:03 ] Vol Jbolaz > Tears?  Seriously?  Blah.
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:14 ] Escoce > No
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:14 ] Chainer Cygnus > omg Mike is as old as my mom.
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:15 ] Mike Azariah > and for me who cannot seem to type
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:19 ] Casiella Truza > It’s funny that the NPE is changing so new players get blown up and learn that it’s part of the game.
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:26 ] Escoce > just this isn’t a space version of WoW
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:27 ] Mike Azariah > /emote avoids the offered mom joke
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:29 ] Varnoka > woot!
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:45 ] Song Li > I think I have a simple solution for most of these missioner issues
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:52 ] Song Li > But CCP is not going to like it
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:54 ] Escoce > I do to, make mission PvP
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:58 ] Varnoka > NPE needs to teach how to wtx when in structure actually
[ 2009.10.28 03:27:59 ] Chainer Cygnus > Get rid of missions!
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:00 ] Escoce > read my blog
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:04 ] Varnoka > *wtz
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:05 ] Escoce > No
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:09 ] 00sage00 > what’s your solution, song?
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:09 ] Escoce > don’t get rid of missions
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:11 ] Vol Jbolaz > Since you don’t care to really talk about it, I’m going to bed.  Just because someone disaggress with you you think they are crying?  Just because someone thinks others hould have choices, you think you are being nerfed?  Whatever.
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:13 ] Escoce > make them more interesting
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:34 ] Escoce > make them have a real player element to them instead of choreographed prescriptions
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:40 ] Casiella Truza > I’m not being nerfed. I’m a trader.
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:41 ] Chainer Cygnus > Oh Entertainment logoff….buzzkill….
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:51 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Seriously.
[ 2009.10.28 03:28:53 ] Casiella Truza > I’m putting my own self at risk with my philosophies.
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:09 ] Escoce > Vol, not at all mate, promise, but if you keep at it, so will we cause we feel just as if not more strongly as you about it
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:10 ] Casiella Truza > Chainer, this is what we call a “forfeit”
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:19 ] Chainer Cygnus > I know…but I call it being a pussy
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:19 ] Song Li > Well it’s more in line with Escoce.. most have already heard my rant on my fleet mission idea for increase missiners in low sec.. but if you apply the coding to change targets to anything viable in the mission instance, that effects even ninjas
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:23 ] Casiella Truza > Escoce, he already logged.
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:30 ] Escoce > ah well, too bad for him
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:47 ] Chainer Cygnus > Logging Off Mid Argument != Win
[ 2009.10.28 03:29:51 ] Varnoka > /emote has saved this chat log for future blackmail of potential CSM canidates.. please send payments to tohe appropriate account. Thank you.
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:02 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I’m so bloggin this xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:06 ] Chainer Cygnus > That makes two of us Varnoka
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:06 ] Song Li > Blackmail?
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:09 ] Casiella Truza > I may just put the transcript on my blog.
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:11 ] 00sage00 > aw i was gonna blog it
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:14 ] Song Li > Hell this is my PLATFORM
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:17 ] Varnoka > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:21 ] Chainer Cygnus > Let’s all blog it XD
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:21 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I CALL THE BLOG! MWAHAHA
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:25 ] Varnoka > I know Song
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:26 ] Escoce > bulshit it’s my platform you puke
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:27 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > We should all blog it and send him the links xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:28 ] Escoce >
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:32 ] Prometheus09 > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:35 ] Mike Azariah > /emote chuckles
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:37 ] Chainer Cygnus > Agree wit Kellnirr
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:40 ] Casiella Truza > Wait, are you saying that if you blog it, I can’t? Damnit I want to blog in 1.0.
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:53 ] Song Li > escoce: When you have something to have a platform for, it’s all yours
[ 2009.10.28 03:30:53 ] Prometheus09 > and we can all blame ivanna for starting it
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:01 ] Escoce > hehe
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:01 ] Cyberin > man…i think i missed out on an awesome conversation…
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:03 ] Chainer Cygnus > Hell to me 1.0 is more dangerous than Delve!
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:12 ] Casiella Truza > ROFL
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:12 ] 00sage00 > lol cyberin
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:26 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Cyberin
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:32 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You missed out on epic blogger tears.
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:38 ] Cyberin >
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:40 ] Casiella Truza > Cyb, I was thinking of you when he started crying about salvagers.
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:41 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I’m talking Tech 3 tears.
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:43 ] Chainer Cygnus > They are sweeter than any normal tears
[ 2009.10.28 03:31:43 ] Escoce > go ahead take my shit, but I already blogged about it, several times in various ways
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:07 ] Song Li > One nice thing about being a rational individual, I don’t get tears from arguments.
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:07 ] Cyberin > i’m going to make a blog sometime soon about how much I hate ninja salvagers!…
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:08 ] Song Li >
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:09 ] Chainer Cygnus > I think every POS and ship in new eden is fueled for the next week just from his tears.
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:10 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I can send you the chat log, if you’d like
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:17 ] Escoce > song, true enough amte
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:18 ] Escoce > mate
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:20 ] Casiella Truza > Oh, the chat log is going up tonight.
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:25 ] Escoce > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:32 ] Cyberin > i look forward to reading this log
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:35 ] 00sage00 > we should set up a debate thing
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:36 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Hehe
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:38 ] Casiella Truza > With a pingback to http://breakvol.blogspot.com/
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:39 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:43 ] Song Li > I enjoy good arguements I grew up with them with my friends..
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:49 ] Varnoka > wait Cyberin is in Yoink?!?!  My main used to be in there!  lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:32:56 ] Escoce > this is pretty bad….we should all blog though though, I knwo it’s already been said, but blogging the chatlog from the bloggers champagne room
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:01 ] Casiella Truza > I told you, this isn’t an argument. This is Vol being wrong.
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:05 ] Escoce > something wrong about that
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:13 ] Song Li > Actually I think one of the things that someone can have that gets my deep respect is being able to have their mind changed
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:20 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I love you Casiella.
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:23 ] Escoce > Casi, I agree, and not in a mean way I just think he doesn’t get it
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:32 ] Cyberin > you didn’t know I was in SN Varnoka? shame on you :p
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:38 ] Chainer Cygnus > It is fairly obvious that he doesn’t Escoce
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:40 ] Casiella Truza > Escoce, until Mynxee or Vieve give me a lap dance, this is no champagne room.
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:46 ] Varnoka > I dont check bios that often
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:56 ] Chainer Cygnus > /emote wants a lap dance from Shae
[ 2009.10.28 03:33:56 ] Song Li > cas: I can do it for you if you want
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:05 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > /emote just wants a lap dance.
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:06 ] Escoce > This “IS” the champagne room of Eve…..
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:09 ] Casiella Truza > Song, sorry, you don’t qualify.
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:09 ] Cyberin > reading my blog would do, no bio needed
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:13 ] Song Li > aww
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:21 ] Vieve Tisserand > What?
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:22 ] Casiella Truza > Shae would, however.
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:22 ] Song Li > I can’t wait till incarna and new clothes
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:24 ] Vieve Tisserand > Lap dance?
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:27 ] Casiella Truza > LOL
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:32 ] Escoce > yeah but he’s got that female ass you guys so were pawning over in the podcast…
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:34 ] Shae Tiann > I would what?
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:37 ] Escoce > notice I was silent during that bit
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:53 ] Casiella Truza > There are days I regret creating a female toon. (Not many, but yeah)
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:53 ] Escoce > now you are fucked
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:53 ] 00sage00 > escoce, i’ve replaced the hellcats pub with this channel. it’s more interesting
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:57 ] Chainer Cygnus > /emote whistles innocently
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:58 ] Varnoka > Cyber: yea it would, but I have so many to read..I did read on of your articles recently though
[ 2009.10.28 03:34:59 ] Casiella Truza > Shae, qualify
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:13 ] Shae Tiann > qualify for what? :p
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:19 ] Mike Azariah > seen the chinese are thinking of making gender bending illegal?
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:21 ] Chainer Cygnus > Cas – Email me the chatlog will ya?
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:24 ] Escoce > casi, you are so fucking dead now
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:24 ] Casiella Truza > Song and I are both G.I.R.L.s
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:26 ] Cyberin > anyone who doesn’t read my blog is wrong, simple as that
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:45 ] Varnoka > hehe
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:46 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I agree, Cyberin.
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:48 ] 00sage00 > cyberin, what’s your blog?
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:49 ] Vieve Tisserand > Anyone who reads mine has to take a roll against their sanity.
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:50 ] 00sage00 > <.<
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:51 ] 00sage00 >
[ 2009.10.28 03:35:59 ] Shae Tiann > lol Vee
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:04 ] Varnoka > naw yours isnt bad Vieve
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:05 ] Prometheus09 > i dont read it cybrin – beacuse it aint linked to capsuleer
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:06 ] Casiella Truza > Vieve, I got a natural 1 on my roll.
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:10 ] Song Li > Anyone who listens to me knows, AnonyMoose
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:20 ] Chainer Cygnus > ANONYMOOSE
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:22 ] Prometheus09 > which is anoying
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:26 ] Varnoka > that was freaking hilarious Song lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:28 ] Escoce > or XsilentJashua
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:38 ] Shae Tiann > Actually, I need to make a sanity check when reading Ciarente’s blog
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:44 ] Song Li > escoce: And this is why I don’t record drunkj
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:46 ] Cyberin > it’s not in capsuleer Prom? it should be
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:48 ] Escoce > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:50 ] Song Li > Fuck I’m an idiot drunk
[ 2009.10.28 03:36:51 ] Escoce > awesome
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:00 ] Escoce > song, we all are mate
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:05 ] Chainer Cygnus > I need to make a sanity check when I write blog posts.
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:06 ] Escoce > it’s part of “getting drunks”
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:07 ] Varnoka > more drunk Song shows I say
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:07 ] Prometheus09 > dont think is cybering – wrong URL i belive – let me chec k
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:08 ] Casiella Truza > I’m your best friend and brother in arms when I’m drunk.
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:09 ] Song Li > I came so close to editing all that out
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:12 ] Vieve Tisserand > See, I find Cia’s blog clear and readable.
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:13 ] Escoce > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:18 ] Escoce > but it was so much fun
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:20 ] Vieve Tisserand > Mine gives me headaches.
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:23 ] Song Li > then I went.. meh.. I have no self respect left.. why bother pretending
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:37 ] Escoce > and it’s more honest and approachable when we arent’ perfect in podcast
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:38 ] Prometheus09 > @cybring when was your last post
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:54 ] Casiella Truza > Speaking of blogging
[ 2009.10.28 03:37:57 ] Casiella Truza > I’m behind.
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:02 ] Cyberin > 25th prom
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:04 ] Casiella Truza > Got to go write something. Night y’all.
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:04 ] Varnoka > me too
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:13 ] Shae Tiann > same, but I’ve not had much to say
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:15 ] Cyberin > later Cas
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:17 ] Chainer Cygnus > Night Cas
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:21 ] Varnoka > night cas
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:23 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Hm, wonder what evil things I shall say…
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:24 ] Prometheus09 > nope its not there cyberin
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:25 ] Chainer Cygnus > /emote is working on his blog banter post
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:27 ] Shae Tiann > I do owe a belated FF post, and pics, though
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:38 ] Cyberin > hmm…i’ll have to yell at Roc to fix it
[ 2009.10.28 03:38:48 ] 00sage00 > it’s weird. the KOS system warning message proposal i made got largely positive reactions from the blogger community, but all negative from the eve forums.
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:00 ] Prometheus09 > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:03 ] Escoce > shae, yeah waiting for those FF posts and pics
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:04 ] Shae Tiann > eh?
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:05 ] Song Li > sage: The forums are fickle
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:08 ] Varnoka > cause eve forums are generally idiots
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:12 ] Prometheus09 > what was the reason against sage
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:25 ] Escoce > Shae, I want the whole camera roll honestly, just to see everything
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:36 ] 00sage00 > they were saying that only noobs accidentally die to concord and faction police
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:47 ] Mike Azariah > /emote rolls eyes
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:48 ] 00sage00 > and that such a message is too annoying to even be bothered turning off
[ 2009.10.28 03:39:56 ] Mike Azariah > and they come up snake dice
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:02 ] Cyberin > (off topic real quick) anyone want to buy a rigged Scorpion?
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:09 ] Varnoka > yea like you just instinctivly know when your entering anoth race’s space… sheesh
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:10 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > 00Sage00, I love yah bud, but I think it should go the oposite way. I want more 4 day olds to jump into lowsec so I can kill em xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:13 ] Escoce > just put it up on contracts
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:25 ] Mike Azariah > I cannot afford even the rigs IN the flippin scorp
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:28 ] 00sage00 > kellnirr, 4 day olds don’t drop good loot
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:33 ] Cyberin > i’m going to, wanted to see if any of you wanted it first
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:36 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > They drop good tears,
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:38 ] Shae Tiann > lol actually I was wondering about Sage’s proposal
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:48 ] Shae Tiann > /emote goes looking for blog entries
[ 2009.10.28 03:40:50 ] Cyberin > hehe, i know what you mean Mike…corpy gave it to me today
[ 2009.10.28 03:41:19 ] Mike Azariah > /emote sighs
[ 2009.10.28 03:41:36 ] Escoce > afk
[ 2009.10.28 03:41:42 ] Chainer Cygnus > What am I missing now?
[ 2009.10.28 03:41:52 ] Mike Azariah > time for me to go get kids from the dojo, back in a while
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:06 ] Varnoka > cya
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:10 ] Cyberin > o/
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:25 ] Song Li > I was just about to do something
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:28 ] Song Li > What the hell was i about to do
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:32 ] Varnoka > afk a sec
[ 2009.10.28 03:42:35 ] 00sage00 > i wish vol’s blog post about the loki was named “I accidentally a loki”. that would have been neat.
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:04 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > I just have no respect for him at all now.
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:17 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > It’s kinda sad, reading his blog I think I could have tolerated him. xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:19 ] Chainer Cygnus > Song you were about to give me 50m isk
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:21 ] Prometheus09 > whats vols blog
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:22 ] Song Li > I thnk I may have been going to read Escoce’s blog
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:25 ] Song Li > But I can’t remember
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:27 ] Prometheus09 > linky for me
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:28 ] Cyberin > wow…i seriously missed an interesting convo…
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:41 ] Chainer Cygnus > breakvol.blogspot.com
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:53 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You read chat logs yet Cyber?
[ 2009.10.28 03:43:56 ] Chainer Cygnus > +/- http
[ 2009.10.28 03:44:38 ] Song Li > Is it too much to be having my PR friend look over my campaign documents to help me with them? She writes speaches for the government
[ 2009.10.28 03:44:50 ] Song Li > Yeah.. I think htat’s taking it too far
[ 2009.10.28 03:44:52 ] Varnoka > back
[ 2009.10.28 03:44:55 ] Varnoka > gfi Song
[ 2009.10.28 03:44:58 ] Prometheus09 > no its not song
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:01 ] Prometheus09 > go for it
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:03 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Not if you want to get elected, Song.
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:17 ] Cyberin > no, haven’t read the chat logs yet…where are they?
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:18 ] Song Li > Yeah that’s what I thought..
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:28 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Someone said they were gonna post em.
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:39 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Turns out I copied something else on accident and they all went bai abi xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:43 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > bai bai*
[ 2009.10.28 03:45:59 ] Cyberin > i’ve got 300 blogs to catch up on in my reader…i won’t be reading new posts from today until 2-3 days most likely
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:09 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > Hehe
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:16 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > That’s a ton of new posts.
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:21 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > You read too many blogs my friend xD
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:29 ] Cyberin > yeah, but they are all good
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:33 ] Kellnirr Tiryon > lol
[ 2009.10.28 03:46:38 ] Cyberin > got backed up after being sick for a week

When I fly throughout New Eden I like to look out the viewport and admire my surroundings. Some of these sights are of extraordinary beauty will some are strange and others a show of power. Instead of keeping these sights private I have decided to share them with you. If you have a image you want the Cluster to see, send it to me and ill upload it with full credit to you.

Shooting Stars. While raiding a Sansha Fortress, the defenders attempted to overcome my fleet mates tank buy co-ordinating their firing times, resulting in this.

Ruins. While exploring some of the local space I came across this ruined station. There was indication of what had happened here, had everyone left fleeing a disaster or had pirates raided that station looking for slaves?

Cloaking Stations. After a hard day’s work I returned to the station, only for it to be invisible. Turns out the station wasn’t cloaked and it was just a malfunction of my camera drones.

Kills

Oorukai – Hulk

VeePrime – Hulk

To Mar – Hulk

Olvi III – Hulk

Cindy Miner – Hulk

Sponti – Hulk

Api – Hulk

Hatecorner – Hulk

Losses

Catalysts. Lots of them.

For your termination of Prometheus09 we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 133,000,000.00 ISK

That’s right I had a bounty of 133 mill on my head, which I acquired from my first Hulk killing rampage. I was originally going to leave the bounty alone when it was only 33 mill, however I couldn’t resist 133 mill, especially when I could use it to buy more ships to gank more hulks with. So, thanks to all the Carebares out there who supported me with their donations to kill more Hulks. A lot of people don’t realise how broken the bounty mechanic is and that a bounty does not deter a pirate, they wear it as a symbol of pride. Now my actions here indicate that the bounty mechanic is hopelessly broken and needs fixing, so here are my ideas on this.

The ship not the Pod.

The first thing that can be done is to not hand out the full bounty placed on a person’s head. Instead the payout a person gets should be based on the ISK loss of the ship (plus fittings) that the target was flying. This would then prevent the target from using an alt to kill himself to collect the bounty, as he would only be gaining as much bounty as he was destroying. It would also mean that bounty placer knows that the target is going to be hurt to the degree they want. ie they know that if they put a bounty of 133 mill on a person head, the target will lose a 133 mill worth of ships.

Kill rights

As we know when a hostile action is performed on an individual, then that individual gets kill rights on the aggressor. However, not everyone can act on these kill rights as they do not have skills necessary to combat the aggressor or the knowledge on how to do so (such as XxBlack PearlxX). Therefore, a person should be able to contract out there kill rights to a Bounty Hunter. Anyone is still able to kill the aggressor and collect the bounty placed on them, however the bounty hunter is able to gain all the benfits of kill rights and they will not have a kill right placed on them when they engage the target. Once one of the targets ships has being destroyed the kill rights are lost, irrespective of the ship destroyed and bounty hunter collects the bounty equivalent to the destroyed ships worth. Naturally, contracts should have set time limits so that if that bounty hunter does not act on it fast enough it can be contracted out to some else who will act on it. Naturally, there should be fee associated with accepting a bounty contract.

I would also like to see a better way of tracking people down other than locator agents, such as homing beacons which can be fired onto a person’s ship.

Example

Fishy Night (bounty placer) places losses a Hulk to Prometheus09 (target) so he places a bounty of 170 million ISK on Prometheus09. Fishy Night then contracts his kill right out to Caladan09 (bounty hunter), who pays a small for fee to accept it. Caladan09 then manages to destroy Prometheus09’s Drake in Jita, which fully fitted, was worth 100 million ISK. Caladan09 acquires 100 million ISK and loses the kill rights on Prometheus09. A few days later a random person destroys Prometheus09’s Raven, worth 190 million ISK and gets 70 million ISK in bounty. There is no more bounty on Prometheus09’s head.

I think this would be a simple and eloquent solution to fix bounties.

A few days ago a Sys-k fleet headed into the old KIA alliance space and proceeded to capture a station that had being left undefended. Naturally GoonSwarm didn’t like this and decided to bring out their capital fleet and hot drop the Sys-k fleet (they also had the threat of Titans behind them). Some good FCing on our part though, got our fleet out of KIA space without any heavy losses. Of course we did not expect to be able to hold station, but it was a bit of fun.

GoonSwarm though has decided to escalate things and has proceeded to invade our space along with Zenith Affinity. So the time for war has come. Many people thought that no major battles would be fought until after dominion but this action as turned that assumption on its head. So things are going to be heating up in Esoteria with GoonSwarm no doubt calling in their allies while Sys-k is definitely going to be bring in theirs, some of which have already arrived.

Personally, I like the idea of war. If only it didn’t clash with real life; at the moment I’m coming into the exam period at uni. Additionally, the ship I am currently flying is a ratting Raven and I have a Goon fleet between me and my PvP ships, so I am going to have get my Raven out and then get my Pod to my PvP ships somehow. Now if only I had the ISK I needed to fit my Phoenix, which will be needed soon. 

Well as I mentioned in my post on Hulkageddon Day I mentioned that I would go into detail on how I got the ISK to buy the ships I utilised during this event. I believe the following mail will explain it:

For your termination of Prometheus09 we have paid you the bounty that was set to his head: 133,000,000.00 ISK

That’s right I had a bounty of 133 mill on my head, which I acquired from my first Hulk killing rampage. I was originally going to leave the bounty alone when it was only 33 mill, however I couldn’t resist 133 mill, especially when I could use it to buy more ships to gank more hulks with. So, thanks to all the Carebares out there who supported me with their donations to kill more Hulks. A lot of people don’t realise how broken the bounty mechanic is and that a bounty does not deter a pirate, they wear it as a symbol of pride. Now my actions here indicate that the bounty mechanic is hopelessly broken and needs fixing, so here are my ideas on this.

The ship not the Pod.

The first thing that can be done is to not hand out the full bounty placed on a person’s head. Instead the payout a person gets should be based on the ISK loss of the ship (plus fittings) that the target was flying. This would then prevent the target from using an alt to kill himself to collect the bounty, as he would only be gaining as much bounty as he was destroying. It would also mean that bounty placer knows that the target is going to be hurt to the degree they want. ie they know that if they put a bounty of 133 mill on a person head, the target will lose a 133 mill worth of ships.

Kill rights

As we know when a hostile action is performed on an individual, then that individual gets kill rights on the aggressor. However, not everyone can act on these kill rights as they do not have skills necessary to combat the aggressor or the knowledge on how to do so (such as XxBlack PearlxX). Therefore, a person should be able to contract out there kill rights to a Bounty Hunter. Anyone is still able to kill the aggressor and collect the bounty placed on them, however the bounty hunter is able to gain all the benfits of kill rights and they will not have a kill right placed on them when they engage the target. Once one of the targets ships has being destroyed the kill rights are lost, irrespective of the ship destroyed and bounty hunter collects the bounty equivalent to the destroyed ships worth. Naturally, contracts should have set time limits so that if that bounty hunter does not act on it fast enough it can be contracted out to some else who will act on it. Naturally, there should be fee associated with accepting a bounty contract.

I would also like to see a better way of tracking people down other than locator agents, such as homing beacons which can be fired onto a person’s ship.

Example

Fishy Night (bounty placer) places losses a Hulk to Prometheus09 (target) so he places a bounty of 170 million ISK on Prometheus09. Fishy Night then contracts his kill right out to Caladan09 (bounty hunter), who pays a small for fee to accept it. Caladan09 then manages to destroy Prometheus09’s Drake in Jita, which fully fitted, was worth 100 million ISK. Caladan09 acquires 100 million ISK and loses the kill rights on Prometheus09. A few days later a random person destroys Prometheus09’s Raven, worth 190 million ISK and gets 70 million ISK in bounty. There is no more bounty on Prometheus09’s head.

I think this would be a simple and eloquent solution to fix bounties.

This past weekend (17^th and the 18^th) was Hulkageddon Weekend in which I. a few corp mates and 14 other corps went on a rampage through High Sec popping (killboard) Hulks left right and centre. All thanks goes to Helicity Boson of Python Cartel for organising it and to 00sage00 for telling me about it. I bought and fitted about 40 destroyers for this op (how I got the ISK for this will be covered in another post to follow) and gave them out to any corp member who decided to join me in this great task. After two days of Hulk killing I came out at number eight on the killboards, I was higher and could have stayed higher if it wasnt for sec status being all burnt up, thus preventing me from staying in empire. I.M.M though has come out at number two on the killboard with 18 kills and 107 points, which is not bad since we were just about the only non-pirating corp involved in Hulkageddon.

Even before we proceeded with Hulkageddon we had people warning the local denzians of our earlier Hulk killing antics which made it very hard for us to find some Hulks to kill at the start of the campaign. We were even forced to create a new Alt just scout out Hulks for us.

Gorax DaDestroyer > there are 4 pilots in system who are known to be suiciders.  be on the lookout fellow miners

commander savor > too all minner i.m.m is in sys they took out 9 bill of hulk the other day

However, after a few false starts we got our first kill in Elonaya, where we struck rich at the local Ice belt. Oorukai in his ice mining Hulk was quickly reduced to space dust floating amongst the Ice. VeePrime was the next to fall the might of our destroyers (and one Ibis). It turns out he wasn’t paying much attention though as his pod never left the tangled remains of his wreck, which forced Hansgrit to pod him. As we all wanted to see this happen we all warped to the belt and watched the pod goo splatter across his old Hulk wreck. CONCORD though didn’t look kindly on our inaction and proceeded to blow up all our ships, including the rigged hauling badger I was flying (YouTube). To Mar was the next to die, only tacking one Catalyst to kill him (we had three on him just in case) followed by Olvi III who didn’t suspect a thing. Cindy Miner (YouTube) was my favourite kill as he had a Hulk valued at 853 mill due to T2 rigs and a faction shield booster, which unfortunately didn’t drop. After filling the belts in Elonaya with CONCORD and forcing the miners to run a way and hide, we were forced to find kills elsewhere, which turned out to be in Piekura and the surrounding systems. Sponti was the first kill over in this new space. Killing sponti though brought my sec standing so low I was trapped in Piekura and Saatuban next door as the surrounding systems were now patrolled by CONCORD who were ready to destroy any ship I brought in there. Api died next bring my sec status to -4.28, a hairs breath from being outlawed throughout all of high sec. The death of Hatecorner though pushed my sec status over the edge making me an outlaw.

After the weekend was over 58 Hulks, 22 Retrievers and 5 Mackinaws had fallen victim to the combined might of Hulkageddon. In total 181 Catalysts, 29 Thrashers, 18 Coercers, 12 Typhoons, 5 Brutixs, 5 Armageddons, 3 Rifiters, 2 Coromorants and 2 Pilgrims (why?) had being lost. It also turns out the biggest tears that we got were from our own alliance, as some of our alliance mates didn’t appreciate what we were doing. Ah well next time they should join in.

Further Links

YouTube – Thanks to Daquaris for all of these.

I.M.M scam a Hulk, I.M.M Hulkageddon: Win some lose some, I.M.M Gank Ice Miners, I.M.M Hulk Gank Hulkomania

Blogs

Flashfresh – The Pirate

Caldari Outpost

Helicity Bonson

I have had a few requests for how to set up some ships to gank hulks. So here it goes.

The first thing and only thing you need is damage; puts as much damage potential on to your ship as humanly possible. This includes fitting the biggest guns possible to your ship and then adding as many weapon upgrades as possible. Yes I know going over three is normally not worth while, but what else are you going to put? A buffer tank you say. There is no point in that, once CONCORD is there they jam you so lasting longer is not that big of a deal. Just get out as much damage as you can. Also buy some faction ammo, you only need few rounds to last you before CONCORD gets there. Also, use blasters as they do the most damage out of all the weapons systems out there, so that generally means flying Gallante. That is the basic fit you want on any gank ship. You can then put on other modules as you need (such as points, drone upgrades, afterburner etc).

Now when using these fits make sure that you have at least two Vexors per Hulk (one may do it if it is not tanked). For the Catalyst you can get away with two (again if not tanked) but you should aim for a minimum of three. Now without further ado the setups (thanks to Daq for writing them up).

Vexor

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Warp Scrambler I
Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Energy Neutralizer I

Garde I x3

Catalyst

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Hobgoblin I x1

So now that you know the setups, get out there and use them.